The rafting issue is still in the news... but

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The rafting issue is still in the news... but

Post by Johnno » Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:32 pm

.....What I’m interested is the public perception and comments regarding trout and trout fishing.

Read the comments at the bottom of the article where there are some who have made some comments regarding this..

The call for trout ‘eradication’ or reduction is getting louder. Whitebait debates don’t help, erroneously suggesting trout take more whitebait the the ‘baiters themselves which is bullocks...

Also interesting to see how pple see fishermen and rafters...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/120910 ... g#comments



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Re: The rafting issue is still in the news... but

Post by Andy W » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:32 pm

I agree. Not a very good situation and it doesn't matter what happens now - we are collectively tared with the same brush.



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Re: The rafting issue is still in the news... but

Post by Steve » Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:54 am

Yes it's a shame the topic has been twisted the way it has. It's about the process and having a fair hearing. Mind you, seems a lot of those comments are pretty misinformed and lack subjectivity - and I recongnise one of those posters as a long time pro water usage - anti trout campaigner - seems to me some have decided this is a good way to attack the F&G clean water campaign, and deflect away from the real cause of those issues. Pretty obvious that the decline in fresh water species on the whole is related much more to water quality, quantity issues and loss of habitat rather than predation by sports fish.

Right now we have been looking into the decline of the stockels smelt in the east coast canty rivers - this smelt is endemic to this area, and was so bountiful once upon a time that a company tried to harvest them at the Ashburton river month - the smelt used to support the ecology of the lower river and mouth areas - they have decline from all accounts with the resulting collapse of those species that relied on them, native fish/native birds and what used to be a significant brown trout fishery in those places. Ecan have some research going on right now, and DOC are interested in this too, so hopefully the answers as to why will come out in time.



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Post by fraser hocks » Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:02 am

Yeah I'm not seeing good times ahead. We really have to keep our public image based on our need for water quality.

I'v heard noises already that farmers are pushing to have things such as water abstraction consents that were up for review pushed back. Their focus being that tourism in the country being dead, that primary industry being almost our only export, so let them rape the land bare, in order to keep the economy afloat.

I look into a crystal ball and I see a timer ahead with very few international anglers but also see our environment being decimated by primary industry. We will soon get to find out where our current government's loyalties lie, is it the environment or is it $$$?


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Re: The rafting issue is still in the news... but

Post by Drifter » Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:25 pm

The members of the nz southern rivers inc to put it politely are a bunch of nitwits the writing was on the wall many months ago how the public would view this you have destroyed and lost any credibility that was once held in terms of genuine causes , dragged every other fisherman that wants nothing to do with you lot along with you and into your cesspit , In the court of public opinion you will be remembered as stopping the round the mountain cycling trail , attempting to stop rafting and wasting rate payers money all of which involves "the public on there land and there river !!!" the very people that would like to participate in these activity's and I wouldn't be surprised if you have undermined the good work Fish & Game have done as well the very people that represent all of us , but go figure you think you are better than them .
As for "It's about the process and having a fair hearing" what a load of crap how many resource consents have been , gone and continue that actually have a direct impact on fish , water take & quality ...nothing but white noise from ya then .
This whole anti rafting thing has been such a wast of energy .



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Post by Steve » Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:15 am

Drifter we know you are the rafter in question - you want to run a commercial activity on a public river - that is not "the public on their land and their river", and it is why it is reasonable to have a public hearing - had you yourself asked for that then this conversation would be void.

So who has lost their credibility by posting such a post?

By using the word 'you' instead of 'they', seems you are directing your comments at all readers - further raising the ire of this reader at least - I can feel a large donation to a certain NZ Southern Rivers INC coming on.... I await your apology



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Post by Drifter » Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:46 am

It’s a service for the public on there river , they will learn about rafting and all that encompasses the river environment .you only have to read some of the disparaging comments online about what people are saying about fish & fisherman that wouldn’t otherwise be happening if the society wasn’t perusing an unworthy cause , imagine it if this were to make it to court , the amount of ratepayers money wasted in this current climate would be a PR disaster , I am referring to members of the society steve .



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Post by fraser hocks » Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:21 pm

Ah so from your previous post, your letting us all know that you are against both fish and fishermen? A detail that I'm sure any potential customers I'm sure would love to know.

Noted!!!! You mentioned PR disaster! 🤪

You do realize that the country is unlikely to see any foreign tourists for around 12 months? (this is the figure that large well established tourism business are using). So your expecting Southland locals to pay you to raft down a river that holds little to no interest for them? Good luck with that :lol: :lol:


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Re: The rafting issue is still in the news... but

Post by Drifter » Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:59 pm

Maybe you need to read the previous post again , I’m a keen fisherman my self I’m saying you are giving other fisherman a bad name as the original OP alluded to .some people are saying it could be 2 years before tourists come back , I’d be happy with the odd weekend trip , I’m fortunate that I have a full time job so I’m in a position to build on the rafting and see how it evolves for better or worse , I think due to rather sensational headline grabbing this whole thing has been blown out of proportion at no stage did I envision turning the mataura river into some kind of shotover that would be ridiculous, I’m guessing you fell for that though ..."Imagine” 16k fisherman heading to the mataura river 😂 , in reality I would be happy with 20 or 30 trips over the summer ,try and build on that , wether that’s a reality now we’ll who knows but iv always been an adventurous type iv worked bloody hard and done everything by the book to get here so I’m keen to find out.
Ps Fraser , Thanks for the kind words & the service is for everyone .



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Post by fraser hocks » Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:10 pm

Paint it what ever way you want, it's commercialising the river for your own profit. Just hope you can sleep at night knowing the disrepute that your bringing to your family name Philip Joosten (aka Drifter)


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