Rafting operation for the ..... Mataura!

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Re: Rafting operation for the ..... Mataura!

Post by Drifter » Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:12 am

The RMA clears up that muddy water mr Cravens , you undertake an activity in exchange for cash , you have environmental effects , you have effects on amenity , fish , bird,s ( particularly at nesting time) & what about the river bed you disturb when your 4wd across creeks , rivers , brades or wading with your clients ,helicopter landings ,jet boats , rafts , have you had a roading manager inspect your turning off points such as gates this is instrumental for health & safety and also any potential payout for insurance , I think your the missing the point mr Cravens you & I are exactly the same both undertaking a commercial activity on public land but the difference is I have taken the steps to get compliant .
If you were on speaking terms with your president he would likely point this out to you & I suspect its why he told members to keep out of it .

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Post by WildAngler » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:19 pm

No, we are not the same, Phillip. I don't have most of the river users calling for my blood.

I don't have to justify my guiding practices to you. You focussing on them, rather than the own lack of merit in your application, is the discussion here.

And when asked three basic questions, you keep deflecting and using xenophobic whataboutism.

Do us all a favour and answer three basic questions, or you are just proving our point.

1) If you're so certain your application has merit, why not call for public notification?

2) Why not call for impact studies?

3) Why not ask Southland Fish and Game to ask license holders to vote on the proposal?

I think you and everyone else knows why.

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Post by Maniototoflyfisher » Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:26 pm

Rafting operation approved. See Otago Anglers Association Facebook for details and more developments.

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Re: Rafting operation for the ..... Mataura!

Post by tiggs » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:04 am

While I live at the opposite end of the country, I have been surprised at the lack of discussion regarding the consent for rafting on the Mataura and Oreti rivers. Apparently there were 6000 objections to the application which were overruled by the consenting authority.

The amount of income generated by anglers, guides and accomodation facilities must be an enormous return to the local communities which would surely far outweigh any return from rafting. Perhaps as a pessimist, I would consider that this is the point of the needle once permission is granted, after all its only a small step to allow two trips per day, and then four and even unlimited rafting. My experiences with rafting while I have been fishing have not been pleasant, jumping into the pool in front of me because they could and then laughing at my predicament. We eventually had to give up.

The authority did suggest that the river facilities should be shared and to be fair, the use of the rivers to generate income is no different for a rafter or a guide with clients. I would suggest that the impact of a guide would be much lower than a series of rafts drifting the rivers and upsetting anglers. This seems to be a real problem in US but there the rivers tend to be much larger.

Even though I dont fish the Mataura or Oreti, I am sorry that this operation has been approved for an iconic rivers.

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Post by Steve » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:41 am

I understand the guys down there are looking at a judicial review, considering the level of interest through the petition it seems those making the decisions think they know better - and here I was thinking we live in a democracy - it should have gone to a public hearing so those interested parties could have their say - in the meantime though, another slice of what kiwi's value has been given up to the tourism industry - the growth at all cost mentality prevails, lets see how many tourists we can squeeze in, and keep on squeezing until it all breaks, just like they have done with the dairy industry, surely it's more sensible to focus on high value tourism long term... of which guided angling is a part of

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Post by WildAngler » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:14 pm

To all my friends who love New Zealand's southern rivers, please consider giving to our cause. We've formed a non-profit to protect our finest rivers for future generations. Our first project is to stop intensive commercial rafting on our heritage dry-fly waters. Please share our GiveaLittle page widely. #NZSouthernRivers #SavetheMataura #DryFlyorDie. https://tinyurl.com/rq2crtr

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