Rafting operation for the ..... Mataura!

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Re: Rafting operation for the ..... Mataura!

Post by Drifter » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:15 pm

Well I can alleviate your concern mjl as we are NOT fishing from rafts its illegal , also I have yet to see masses of fisherman iv done plenty of local trips & its quite shocking how few people are using the river , 3 or 4 between Gore & Mataura would be a busier day ,its really interesting what you see from a raft Il start a dairy I think it will be interesting looking at the figures at the end of each year , iv seen pictures of fisherman side by side on the Tongariro , I have never seen anything like that down here ever , opening weekend or those couple of weeks around that date would be the busiest the river really gets , iv got a rafting , camping fishing trip planned already starting to get excited :) .



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Re: Rafting operation for the ..... Mataura!

Post by fraser hocks » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:00 pm

In your own words Phill you don't know anything about fly fishing, hence you can't see why this is creating so many concerns within the fly-fishing scene.

Essentially what your suggesting is like taking a motor-cross bike to a golf course, and then wondering why every golf player wants your head on a stick.

Im pretty confident that SDC don't want a similar fiasco as with the cycle trail. The amount of opposition to this proposal is seriously building.


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Re: Rafting operation for the ..... Mataura!

Post by mjl » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:03 pm

Official figures say there are more like 60 plus people fishing the river below Gore on an average day between December and March. With a similar number upstream.



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Re: Rafting operation for the ..... Mataura!

Post by Steve » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:18 pm

The National Angler survey gives the usage figures for the Mataura in 2015 by NIWA;

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Sorry pics a bit small - 38K angler days a year total



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Re: Rafting operation for the ..... Mataura!

Post by Drifter » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:48 pm

fraser hocks wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:00 pm
In your own words Phill you don't know anything about fly fishing, hence you can't see why this is creating so many concerns within the fly-fishing scene.

Essentially what your suggesting is like taking a motor-cross bike to a golf course, and then wondering why every golf player wants your head on a stick.

Im pretty confident that SDC don't want a similar fiasco as with the cycle trail. The amount of opposition to this proposal is seriously building.
It’s a raft not a jet ski or jet boat it has no motor so is nothing like a motor cross bike ...push bike would be a better comparison!! , theres not to many groups I haven’t spoken too , I had a good conversation today with some nzpfga members nice guys I received some constructive criticism , gave me something to think about but in essence there’s a “chance” they support this as well , I can tell you Fraser it’s been quite a thing down here iv had business owners ring , random people sending kind words it’s been in the paper a couple of times & on air , I’m hopful this turns out to be a good asset for our community , we don’t all live in Queenstown Fraser with endless things to do and we are not all fly fisherman either .



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Re: Rafting operation for the ..... Mataura!

Post by Drifter » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:02 pm

Steve wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:18 pm
The National Angler survey gives the usage figures for the Mataura in 2015 by NIWA;

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Sorry pics a bit small - 38K angler days a year total
I can’t read it ! , all I’m saying is what I am seeing with my own eyes , I no it’s been a thing people are commenting on how many fisherman are on the river but I’m not seeing that here at all , from now on I’ll start a log book for interest sake , also of note I have not had any bad experience with any fisherman at all & some I have pulled up beside for a yarn , actually I lie about 6 years ago I had this old fella complain when he saw my dredge on the river he then pulled out his book & informed me he used to be a ranger !! , I happily gave him my details though i did have a rather cheeky grin and informed him I actually have a mining permit & consent to do what I’m doing, never heard from the guy again , so yea that’s the only run in iv had , mind you if I hang around here long enough that could escalate 😂 .



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Re: Rafting operation for the ..... Mataura!

Post by fraser hocks » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:55 pm

Drifter wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:48 pm
..push bike would be a better comparison!
If the push bike your suggesting, being ridden over the golf course is a type that means no more golf can be played for the rest of the day, then maybe your correct? :roll:

You simply don't understand bro, that's as simple as it gets. You can put what ever spin you want on it, the suggestion that it's a good idea is simply ludicrous and I'm pretty sure your aware of this.


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Re: Rafting operation for the ..... Mataura!

Post by Dave » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:51 pm

Opinion comment in the Otago Daily Times from Dave Witherow.
https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/diminishi ... urist-boom
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Re: Rafting operation for the ..... Mataura!

Post by Steve » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:26 pm

Now there's a petition we can sign - https://www.change.org/p/soutland-distr ... eti-rivers



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Re: Rafting operation for the ..... Mataura!

Post by Drifter » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:14 pm

This guy cravens is bloody optimistic !! 16k clients geez il be rich , not exactly sure how hes worked out the figures , but Iv done some number crunching , 212 day on the fishing calendar , 2 clients per guide x 53 guides = 22,472 clients on the water , you guys need to open your eyes , this is pure trade competition from commercial fishing guides that have a blanket concession over the country , even the admin was a fishing guide for 10 years or so & now runs a fishing shop , all these guys have a finger or 2 in the pie , I come along with a different project to cater for almost a completely different market and we cant have that can we !! ask your self's this if your so rite why is it that practically everyone in govt departments got behind it ? I had one department say can you take us down the Nokomai for our Christmas breakup !! , These are normal people that see this activity as a fun eco friendly thing to do , the river is for EVERYONE .



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